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Bug #865085

civ2 ruleset: give Fighters defense bonus against bombers

Added by Alexandro Ignatiev about 1 year ago. Updated about 1 month ago.

Status:
Closed
Priority:
Normal
Assignee:
Marko Lindqvist
Category:
Rulesets
Sprint/Milestone:
3.0.0-beta1
Start date:
Due date:
% Done:

0%

Estimated time:

Description

For better CivII compatibility, [Stealth] Fighters should have "DefenseMultiplier", 3 against [Stealth] Bombers.

civ2-fighter-bonus-vs-bomber-2.6.patch (2.12 KB) civ2-fighter-bonus-vs-bomber-2.6.patch Alexandro Ignatiev, 2021-03-06 06:20 PM
civ2-fighter-bonus-vs-bomber-2.6.patch (2.56 KB) civ2-fighter-bonus-vs-bomber-2.6.patch new Alexandro Ignatiev, 2021-03-06 08:03 PM
scramble.patch (2.78 KB) scramble.patch new Alexandro Ignatiev, 2021-03-07 09:12 PM
0028-civ2-add-an-approximation-for-fighters-scramble-mech.patch (2.8 KB) 0028-civ2-add-an-approximation-for-fighters-scramble-mech.patch master, S3_1 Marko Lindqvist, 2021-03-08 01:57 AM
0019-civ2-add-an-approximation-for-fighters-scramble-mech.patch (2.86 KB) 0019-civ2-add-an-approximation-for-fighters-scramble-mech.patch S3_0 Marko Lindqvist, 2021-03-08 01:57 AM

Related issues

Related to Freeciv - Feature #865084: Scramble combat bonusClosed

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Related to Freeciv - Feature #922015: Defense bonuses for Fighters against Bombers in rulesets other than civ2Closed

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History

#1 Updated by Alexandro Ignatiev about 1 year ago

#2 Updated by Marko Lindqvist 12 months ago

  • Category set to Rulesets

Will you make a patch?

#3 Updated by Marko Lindqvist 12 months ago

  • Sprint/Milestone changed from 3.0.0 to 2.6.3

#4 Updated by Alexandro Ignatiev 12 months ago

Probably, a bit later.
Actually, with SAM, it gives way too much (8x instead of 4x), maybe just tripled value (6x with SAM) will be enough? I would consider even just doubled, as it should not be applied to airbases at all, but I doubt it isn't too small for cities with no SAM.

#5 Updated by Marko Lindqvist 3 months ago

  • Sprint/Milestone changed from 2.6.3 to 2.6.4

#6 Updated by Marko Lindqvist about 1 month ago

Alexandro Ignatiev wrote:

Probably, a bit later.

Maybe in time for 2.6.4?

#7 Updated by Alexandro Ignatiev about 1 month ago

Added bonuses for 2.6 (likely goes also for 3.0), considering some suggestions about probability that it's not an airbase and there is SAM.

#8 Updated by Alexandro Ignatiev about 1 month ago

No. It's wrong that early fighter has the same defense against stealth bomber as novel one. Used defense divider to reduce the defense a bit.

Defender                SAM            Ratio if attacker is
                                    Bomber          Stealth bomber
Fighter                      -       12:12            7.5:16
                             +       24:12             15:16
                           wanted    12:12             12:16
Stealth Fighter              -       12:12              8:16
                             +       24:12             16:16
                           wanted    16:12             16:16

It's the best approximation I could get.

#9 Updated by Marko Lindqvist about 1 month ago

- As you add "quiet" column, it should be explicitly set to all rows, not only to the new row
- Please add a comment why DefenseMultiplier is higher against Stealth Bomber than regular one. Otherwise in a few years time someone is about to see that, not to notice that there's DefenseDivider in Stealth Bomber side, and "fix" it.

#10 Updated by Marko Lindqvist about 1 month ago

(This is one of the patches I'd still want to 3.0.0-beta1, but there's not many days to get it in if we want it included to final testing rounds)

#13 Updated by Marko Lindqvist about 1 month ago

  • Status changed from New to Resolved
  • Assignee set to Marko Lindqvist

#14 Updated by Marko Lindqvist about 1 month ago

Usually we don't accept rule changes to already-released branches, but civ1 and civ2 rulesets follow different rules. As their goal is civ1/civ2 compatibility, rule changes improving that compatibility are considered bug fixes.

#15 Updated by Marko Lindqvist about 1 month ago

  • Related to Feature #922015: Defense bonuses for Fighters against Bombers in rulesets other than civ2 added

#16 Updated by Alexandro Ignatiev about 1 month ago

Rear thinking: as 2.6 AI does not build fighters and it is not going to be fixed, this change makes AI weaker...

#17 Updated by Marko Lindqvist about 1 month ago

  • Sprint/Milestone changed from 2.6.4 to 3.0.0-beta1

Alexandro Ignatiev wrote:

Rear thinking: as 2.6 AI does not build fighters and it is not going to be fixed, this change makes AI weaker...

This is true for 3.0 also (and maybe some branches to the future), but you're right. This is probably too controversial change to be included in a mature branch that has already produced several releases. Let's retarget to 3.0.

#18 Updated by Alexandro Ignatiev about 1 month ago

OTOH, per #922066 it's unlikely that AI has ever built any bombers in 2.6...

#19 Updated by Marko Lindqvist about 1 month ago

  • Status changed from Resolved to Closed

Alexandro Ignatiev wrote:

OTOH, per #922066 it's unlikely that AI has ever built any bombers in 2.6...

But it will once that bug gets fixed. So not messing with S2_6 with this patch.

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